dance hall from last year(chair issue)
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ok, last year I had lots of fun, but something about there being all these chairs in the way of dancing made things a bit difficult. I couldnt really go all out with so many obstacles. In previous years we had the entire room to ourselves. As I could recall, the space we had to dance in seemed smaller this year. So, with that in mind, im curious if its feasable to have more space for dancing. I doubt that too many more chairs would have to be moved in order to get enough room for the dance. But what was there was fairly cramped and considering that every year we get bigger, I think it should be suggested that we open up some more room and clear out more chairs. Im also a little curious if anyone else felt this way. I know a few fursuiters who went back to their rooms because they felt there wasnt enough room to dance. Personally I dont fursuit... yet, so I can see pretty well and it wasnt that big of a problem for me. It was more of a nusance to watch out, which is why I eventually went back too. Just curious how others felt about the abundance of chairs. CJ |
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The reason why the entire room was not cleared is because union labor was required for moving anything in the convention center. And they charge us per chair. In the case of the dances, they have to remove the chairs and replace them afterward. Multiply that by the number of dances we have and the cost adds up.
As we grow in size and have a bigger budget, we will look at having more chairs moved for the dances.
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figured that might be the case, but I figured it couldnt hurt to ask. *grumbles at the silly union restrictions*
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permalinkLocation: DelMarVa
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I think you are mistaken- the room we had last year was MASSIVE. If chairs were in the way, then folks who dont want them IN the way shoudl take the time to move them. This convention is everyones baby, not just a few folks in admin. Take five minutes and move the stuff for everyones enjoyment.
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permalinkUm, no, you can not move the chairs yourself, this will violate the union contract and Anthrocon will get charged a chair reset fee anyway. Under no circumstances should anyone ever move a chair while in the Convention center, Please follow the rules for Anthrocons Well Being.
That being said, they cleared the entire room (or hadn't yet set it up) for the first dance and we had too much room. The charis also help reduce the reverb and soak up some of the sound
While i think more room needs to be made (especially in regard to widening the walk ways. I think more important then removing more chairs is changing the layout of the chairs removed, instead of clearing the center, clear form the door forward all the way across. This will give us more usable space.
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Antimon is right, and it can't be said enough. If the union workers find a chair moved the next day when they're setting up for the morning, they have the right to charge us for a complete reset of the entire room, at 1$ per chair. So please please please do not move any chairs in the convention center.
This year we'll take a look at the layouts and see if there's a better group of chairs to clear out.
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permalinkLocation: DelMarVa
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Sorry, didn't read Giza's post. Very strange Union rule. Well, considering that no one seemed to care last year, I don't think it'll be an issue.
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permalinkYou didn't get the chair reset fee bill, so you have no iea if it was an issue or not. Not liek a siren goes off and the S.W.A.T. team comes and smaps the chair out fo yoru hands....
They pay for it the next morning.
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permalinkLocation: DelMarVa
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Um.. I was referring to the fact that not a signifigant amount of folk were disturbed by the nonmovement of chairs being okay. >,> Thanks for jumping on me, just in case. *Rolls eyes*
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permalinkLocation: Ardmore, PA
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> If chairs were in the way, then folks who dont want them IN
> the way should take the time to move them.
As others have said, and this bears repeating: please do not move chairs in the convention center under any circumstances.
Doing so would violate our contract with the union and subject us to financial penalties. I know that this is a bit different than most other conventions, but for facilities this large, they tend to be union controlled. As such, we must play by their rules if we wish to hold a con there.
Now, the Westin is another story. Folks may move around chairs without any problems.
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permalinkgood old unions, what would we do without them?
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Without unions... you wouldn't have a 40-hour workweek (and thus a weekend), or paid vacations, or minimum/living wage, or job safety, or Medicare, or family/medical leave, or retirement security... all of which unions pushed for during the past century.
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permalinkLocation: Philadelphia area, PA
*nods*
Union rules can be awfully silly sometimes. In college, i remember the toilets in our house used to stop up regularly. Officially we weren't allowed to plunge our own toilets, tho, and maintenance often took a week to plunge them for us, so we used to keep a plunger hidden in one of our rooms. ;=8)
As silly as union rules can sometimes be, tho, they serve a purpose. Rules like the 'don't move chairs' rule are probably there to help protect the union's position. The more work that gets done on the sly, the less work gets accounted for and the fewer workers the hotel has to provide a living wage, insurance, and benefits for.
--dester'edra
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permalinkLocation: DeLancey, New York
hmm... i wonder.. could there be some sort of donation thing set up for this, too? i know that id donate like $5 if it made for a better dnace area... maybe an on-the-spot collection...
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permalinkLocation: Ardmore, PA
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You can make a donation to the con when you purchase a membership, actually.
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ok..so the donation goes to EVERYTHING overall.. k. thankees ^^
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permalinkLocation: Chicago, IL
Honestly the number of complaints we've received regarding the dance space from last year could be counted on one hand. People seem pretty happy with how we did it, and concerns that have been expressed will be taken into consideration when we plan the dance area this year, however the size of the space probably won't increase much if at all.
Something to keep in mind is, the more chairs we remove, the worse the acoustics in the room become. Chairs and warm bodies absorb sound, and in a room designed like that, echo can be a problem.
If you want to help out the con with costs beyond a membership, consider sponsorship or super sponsorship. Those extra dollars help out a great deal!
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I am getting the same number of people saying "Too many chairs were moved" as "Not enough chairs were moved."
We're going to clear out the exact same space this year as we did last year.
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permalinkThat's good. I really didn't see any problem with the amount of space given to us at the dances.
At the risk of Kage coming after me with a knife, wouldn't it be nice one day to actually have a dance that *required* the entire room cleared? That'd be one helleva party!
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permalinkyou'd never get that many peoplw to agree to thw music selections
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permalinkwell yeah, I don't agree with how it is programmed over all. it is setup to crush any other form of music except a certain "mainstream format" that is about as fun as playing with a garage full of recluse spiders.....
there is a logical way to set it up, and I really don't see that happening anytime soon.
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permalinkLocation: Chicago, IL
I'm interested to hear your suggestions. Please e-mail me at and we can discuss it, thanks!
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permalinkdepends on the night, first night was too many the other nights were just fine we just need more walkway / isle space
I'm pretty sure the people who are refering to too many chairs being moved are just refering to the first night.
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Before the first dance, there were two major projects that needed to be accomplished with the assistance of our union coworkers. Not only did we clear chairs for dance space, but it was necessary to reroute all the camera, intercom, and rear-channel microphone cabling to ensure no cables would be a trip hazard to anyone participating in the dance. (The location of the dance floor was not determined until after the initial cable deployment.)
I was extremely thankful for the assistance of the union crews throughout the weekend - and particularly during this reconfiguration. With the help of the electricians and stage hands, we replaced well over 1000 feet of cable in less than 15 minutes.
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permalinkLocation: Chicago, IL
This is just to avoid any confusion, but I believe the work you're referring to was done on Friday night. The first dance actually took place on Thursday, and the room was empty of chairs because there were no stage events on Thursday.
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